I Hate Ebike Torque-Sensing (maybe you should too)

Well, I don’t actually hate it, but it is a technology rooted in cycling’s past, whose existence was created to market a product to legacy riders.

As far as I’m concerned, torque-sensing’s existence is primarily owed not to the fact that it is a better system, but instead is a tool to help persuade an existing customer base (recreational, leg-powered cyclists) not to hate the product (ebikes) quite as much as they already do (either that or to sell ebikes while not cannibalizing sales of analog bicycle brethren).

Say what?

What is Torque-Sensing Pedal Assist?

On an ebike, when a torque sensor is used, it applies a strain gauge to the drivetrain (located either inside the bottom bracket, or in the back of the bike near the gear cluster).  This measures the amount of force you apply to your pedaling stroke.  If you pedal (work) harder, the assist you receive is dialed up.  If you pedal more softly – regardless of cadence – the assist level is reduced… or eliminated.

I have heard it said that torque-sensing “rewards pedal effort” and this statement is both correct and indicative of the root problem with its advocacy.  Old school cyclists hate the fact ebikes allow someone to make forward progress, without using their muscles in the first place.  By restricting/keying the assist to physical exertion levels, the fact that a motor exists at all is less difficult to accept – and more easily sold to the existing cyclist population.

It also allows an ebike to be sold without denigrating the old-school unassisted version.  Zillions of which are still manufactured for sale worldwide.  If torque sensing just makes it seem “more like a regular bicycle” then that helps preserve the perception that a normal bicycle is still every bit the desirable, viable product that manufacturers still need to sell millions of.

It is unfair to say torque-sensing is ONLY about these things.  Its not.  You will also hear people say torque-sensing results in the most ‘natural’ bicycle riding experience for them, since you still have to work hard on the pedals.  And the assist increases in proportion to your effort, just like a real bicycle.  An ebike goes faster of course, but a physical work ethic is still demanded.  So to be fair, torque-sensing does indeed give cyclists who want this a familiar and desirable experience.  There is nothing wrong with that.

What is Cadence-Based Pedal Assist?

In its simplest form, its nothing more than this:  Your assist level goes up or down based on how fast the crankarms are turning.  The amount of effort you expend could even be irrelevant if your gearing is low enough.  The only thing that matters is the rotational speed of the pedals/crankarms (strictly speaking it is the spindle’s rotational speed that is measured, but thinking ‘pedal rotation’ is easier to visualize).

So if you want more assist, you just turn your legs faster – not harder.  Again in simple circumstances this means you can get into a low gear and easily ‘ghost pedal’ your ebike, without expending any effort.  So you are breezing right along right up to either the speed limit of the ebike or the road/path you are riding on (please note I am not saying this always happens… only that it is possible with this type of system). 

Such a thing is utterly anathema; deeply, personally hated in the cycling community.  There, your progress and ability is hard earned through what can only be described as prolonged, personal, stoic suffering whose level outsiders neither understand nor hope to match.  Despite the spandex, funny hats and silly shoes, cyclists know they are endurance badasses (they really are).

Except, fate has dictated these solitary warriors suddenly have to share the road with the Griswolds, blowing past them in their two-wheel Trucksters.  Ebikes democratize cycling so that now… anyone can do it?  WTF!?!

… not a shock the response of cyclists to ebikes has been negative.

Far From Perfect

Finally, lets make the very important point that criticism of cadence-based systems is often entirely justified. Especially on low cost direct-to-consumer ebikes. Unfortunately, rather a lot of these systems have cadence-based pedal assist that is merely an on/off switch. It pays no attention to how fast the crankarms are turning, or how fast the bike is going. It justfires up and produces one of maybe five different power output levels, steady and regular.

Faced with that kind of behavior, its no wonder so many people think torque-sensing is the only way to go.

Its not so simple

I said above the description of cadence-based pedal assist was in “its simplest form”.  There are some big exceptions to this that most ridersare unaware of. Criticism of cadence-based assist systems can be entirely justified… but it should be recognized that the concept of cadence-based assist is not the problem, but rather to crappy, cheap-ass implementations of it.

There are some cadence-sensing ebike motors that have settings both complex and rather profound in how they impact the riding experience.  Notice I did not say ‘cycling experience’ because a central tenet of my rejection of torque-sensing is that ebikes are bicycle-shaped-objects, but not bicycles.  It is a mistake to treat them as if they should behave the same (unless that is something you expressly want).

The Cadence-Sensing Mid-Drive

If there is such a thing as a ubiquitous aftermarket mid drive on the market, its the Bafang BBS02 and its heavy-duty big brother, the BBSHD. There are zillions of them out in the world. If you want to find yourself a drive that has plentiful aftermarket support, countless users in discussion groups with experience to share, and myriad how-to’s out there on Youtube and the internet in general… well the go-to for those things are these DIY kit Bafang mid drives.

From the factory, quite frankly the performance settings on these drives is awful, and this is well-known. Pedal assist is overpowering and easily lets the bike run away from you. That powerful pedal assist also saps the range of the bike. But the bad news gets worse when you factor in the clunky, laggy motor engagement that bashes on the gears, and generally does its best to wear the bike’s drivetrain down sooner, not later.

Fortunately this is all very well known, and there is a rich settings interface hiding under the hood for these drives, with readily-available free software that will let you dig into the motors and completely change (i.e. tame) their character. With that in mind, here are some screen shots showing those settings.


Some cadence assist options are on the left side above. This isn’t even the Pedal Assist screen for this particular motor. These settings determine assist strength and when, based on both speed and motor rpms, the assist gets cut back.



Here you can determine how much the cut-back is when pedal assist is reduced, and more.  The graph explains how the various settings on this screen affect output.

This is not at all the simple on/off concept most people think of when they complain about what they think of as cadence-based pedal assist

UPDATE:
Since this article was written in 2019, I have documented a cycling-oriented approach to this motor in BBSHD Programming for the Pedaling Cyclist.

The KT Controller And A Hub Motor

What everyone commonly calls the “KT” controller is in fact a product of the Suzhou Kunteng Electronics Co., Ltd. KT controllers can be found as original equipment inside of manufactured ebikes, and sold individually as aftermarket upgrades and components for builders who are building their own ebike. This is a company that has its products inside of many ebikes, but unless the owner reads the label on the controller, they would have no idea whether its a product made by this company.

I bring them up because KT controllers are very popular in the DIY ebike building community. They provide a quality product that offers features not readily available with other products in their class.

KT controllers use cadence-based sensing, but apply a proprietary algorithm that someone nerd in the basement was allowed to label as ‘imitation torque control‘. I don’t know where that comes from, but as their (poorly translated) web site says,

“Use imitate torque control mode to help achieve a smooth start-up of the vehicle, the power-assist drive will be smooth and natural. Electric power assist is with fast response and always consistent with the rider’s pedal action to achieve the effect of the torque boost.”

Thats fairly typical Chinglish marketingspeak, but they really are onto something.

  • When you start off from a stop, power ramps on via a recognizable curve. It doesn’t just flick from ‘off’ to ‘full blast’
  • The startup curve can be adjusted in three separate steps so if that on-curve is too strong, you can set one of three increasing levels of slow-start to give a more shallow slope to that startup curve.
  • When starting off and crankarm rotation and speed are both slow, power applied is high. This corresponds to what you need when starting from a stop.
  • As speed increases from ‘stopped’, power is smoothly dialed back, so the bike doesn’t run away from you. When cruising at high cadence, very little power is output.
  • If during that cruising speed you start going up a hill, the controller senses the combination of reduced speed and cadence and dials in more power to help you get up the hill.

The result is of course not ideal, but it is smooth and easy to adapt to, especially coupled to the other settings options that are available.

So What?

Once again, we see that we are not dealing with a clunky kind of on/off switch that cadence-assist detractors point to. There’s grey area to be had here when it comes to performance.

Torque-Sensing Can Be A Disaster

If you have a physical limitation, torque-sensing doesn’t help you get past it.  It does help you go faster while working hard.  Studies have shown ebikers in fact can work nearly as hard as, or even harder than bicycle riders… they just don’t realize it.  Possibly this is due in part to the exhilaration of being able to go faster, and stay in the saddle for longer periods.

Myself, I am a lifelong cyclist.  Or rather, I was.  I commuted daily for decades.  For many years I eschewed the use of an auto.  I commuted and even shopped for groceries by bike (being poor and single had nothing to do with this).  But after a couple of heart attacks, my cycling life was over.  To stay alive, I gave up the intensely personal activity I most valued.  Bummer.

A few years ago, I discovered ebikes, and the one I bought had cadence-based assist.  I had no idea there was any other way to do it at the time.  I did something many do not:  I treated the ebike – which looks like a bicycle but is not one –  as a new animal.  I threw out much of the knowledge on cycling I had acquired, and started fresh on riding technique.

At the start, pedal effort very quickly led to chest pain and an immediate need to stop doing that.  But I could go on if I incremented up the assist and incrementally lowered – but did not erase – pedal effort.  This allowed me to keep going (maintain forward progress).

I learned to treat the ebike like an exercise machine.  One that went places and was practical transportation.  Instead of directly coordinating effort with forward motion, I separated the two.  Effort was always maintained, and so was clicking off the needed mileage to my destination.  But the two no longer had a 1:1 relationship.  This decoupling of effort and speed while maintaining cadence solved everything.  The procedure in a nutshell is as follows:

  1. Set a preferred cadence
  2. As heart pain occurs (heart pain is not the same thing as getting tired) click up the assist level so effort is reduced – and keep moving. This relieves the heart pain gradually
  3. On recovery – I’m good after maybe a half block – reduce the assist level back down a click at a time and start working harder again
  4. All the while maintain the same cadence
  5. Rinse and repeat as the miles click off to destination arrival.

You are never just sitting in the saddle doing nothing but exercising your thumb on the throttle, unless you’ve really overdone it and have to enforce a complete break. But that should be very rare and only happen in the earliest stages of getting back on the bike and working out as a daily routine.

Again, to belabor the point:  I’m using the bike for utility and transportation.  My bike has somewhere to go, so the point of cycling is to reach a destination.  If I was a recreational cyclist then maybe its fine to slow to a crawl, or stop and sit on a bench for awhile.  But a bike as transportation is a different. The point of riding is to get somewhere .  So I must maintain forward progress, while managing a constant – but changing – exertion level.

Only cadence sensing is going to let you do that (and I know this from experience.  See Afterword below).  Its a different riding experience described most simply as a moving exercise machine.  Again… not a bicycle.

Different But Still Good For You

Over time and thru repetition, I scaled back the point where pain occurs to where I was able to manage it with gear changes (upshifts) and not changes to the assist level.  Now I’m running at top assist speed while maintaining pedal pressure and exertion at all times during the ride.  On my Class 3 daily driver I cruise right at 28-30 mph (legal in my jurisdiction) and I get to those higher speeds above the assist limit by myself.  All along doing so by maintaining a set, preferred cadence.

And if I overdo it, since I am now running at full power, I can just downshift (maintaining cadence on the easier gear) to take a break. I’ll go a little slower and dip down to the level where the bike starts providing assist again once its speed gets down into Class 3 territory. This is a different way to use cadence-assist.  I am not dialing back power: I’m always running at full blast and I’m working to get the bike up to where I am going fast enough so the motor pulls power back on its own due to its going over the Class 3 limit, or adds some in thanks to a downshift and reduced speed.

Note from The Future:
The above describes my experience using an awd geared hub bike with twin KT controllers and a big battery. This one in particular. That was quite some time ago, and its a platform I moved on from long ago. The kind of variations possible in a geared hub system are different than what they would be if I was, say, doing the same thing with a mid-drive-motor solution like a BBSHD. So, two entirely different cadence-based systems, and two different ways to achieve a good ride… but you have to go into it without thinking you know the answers already..

Broadening The Use-Case

Cadence sensing isn’t just for recovering invalids.  For the healthy rider, successful use of cadence-based assist as a hard-exercise tool is easily possible, and rooted in that rider not coming into the experience with pre-conceived ideas.  Don’t treat it like a bicycle (yes I am repeating this over and over on purpose).

Using the ebike as an exercise machine as you roll down the road, you’ll be getting fit during time otherwise spent sitting in your car and exercising nothing.  A torque-sensing ebike can do this too… but if the ebike is meant to also be practical transportation, your physical condition of the moment will have a direct impact on whether you make it to your destination.  Not so with cadence assist.

The Future

It took 34 years for the Tour de France to allow bicycles with derailleurs — because not grinding up a slope in the Alps on a single-speed was cheating.

… Isn’t it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailleur? We are getting soft.

-Henri DesGrange, world-renowned cyclist and original TDF organizer

If someone tried to make that same case today, their opinion would be regarded as fringe idiocy.

So lets take that same interval: 34 years from now, when ebikes have long-since become the accepted norm (just look at the sales figures) as derailleurs did a century ago… will we be espousing technology or methods rooted to the norms of the past?  Will a couple of generations of riders who have known nothing else continue to think of torque-sensing assist as giving a bike a ‘normal’ feel?

My money is on ‘no’.  Or more accurately… sorta-kinda-no.  I think for higher end bikes a dual system could become commonplace, letting riders choose one or the other as they see fit in the moment.  One mode for recreation.  One for transportation.

If it has to be a this-or-that binary choice, I think torque-sensing won’t survive the test of time.  Why?  Sheer weight of numbers, and the growth of the automobile replacement market.  Look at global ebike sales.  Only a small fraction of ebikes are sold in the European and North American markets, where recreational cycling is a thing.  Look at the Far East, where bicycles are simply utilitarian transportation and there is no stigma attached to effortless travel.  Whats the norm there?

Cadence-based assist.

UPDATE (February 2021):
Its already happening through a vector I hadn’t considered.  Recreational ebike riders are starting to upgrade from their cadence-based budget bikes to what the industry tells them was the ideal product: a better bike with higher end components and… torque sensing.  I’m seeing reviews from riders not inculcated in traditional cycling ethos, saying the bikes are no longer fun.  They can’t just get on a bike and zip around and enjoy the outdoors for as long as the battery holds out… now their bike is making them work at it.  What was once an unconsciously-achieved benefit (exercise) is now an enforced requirement.  Riders like this, new to the fold, don’t always appreciate the new rules.  With the pandemic rushing literally tens of millions of new riders into the fold, the spread of this effect could manifest itself far more quickly than the slow evolution I originally anticipated.

Afterword

Lest I give the wrong impression… I have an ebike that uses torque sensing, and frankly I love it.  But its a recreational bike, not suited for a bike that has a job.  Going for a fun ride, where I don’t have a problem stopping and sitting down on a bench or a rock for awhile and enjoying my surroundings… Its almost perfect for that.  I wish I had time to ride it more.

But by its nature it can’t be a serious transportation tool.

Author: m@Robertson

I'm responsible for the day-to-day operations at my place of business: Leland-West Insurance Brokers, Inc. We do classic and exotic car insurance all across these United States. I'm also an avid auto enthusiast, a born again cyclist (i.e. an ebiker) and participate in medium and long range CMP and NRA sanctioned rifle competitions.

12 thoughts on “I Hate Ebike Torque-Sensing (maybe you should too)”

  1. I think the primary benefit to torque sensing is the extended range.

    Many bikes are geared in such a way that at higher speeds you’re ghost pedaling at any speed.

    My personal taste (rules not withstanding) would be a throttle + torque sensing.

    1. Ghost pedaling can be eliminated in a couple of ways. First and foremost, on a hub drive, with a KT controller, those controllers do not treat PAS as an on/off proposition at all. Low speed and rpms are accounted for directly and assist is adjusted (assist decreased) when cadence and speed increase. It never happens on a BBSxx that has been tuned properly, but you would never think that if you have only experienced the appalling factory stock settings. I wrote an article addressing that issue specifically. https://tinyurl.com/3uu47e76
      I think the ideal, finally being realized, is the combination torque+cadence sensing which you see on the Cyc motors, the most refined of which is on the new Photon.

  2. Isn’t the answer to “maintain forward progress” in all situations, to have a throttle? I feel you are arguing for a throttle more so than against torque sensing and for PAS. Back when you wrote this, throttle and torque sensing were rare. It is now becoming more common. IMO, torque sensing+throttle (and cadence for further instrumentation) is where e-bikes are going. PAS is going to continue be found on the least expensive ebikes. The cost of building in the strain gauges is going down, making it more viable for lower cost bikes to have torque sensors and a better experience for all IMO. Aventons new Bafang motors that have a torque sensing bottom bracket are a perfect example of this. Hub drives getting torque signals is the big progression here. I agree that being able to maintain forward progress even when tired is essential for a car replacement and throttle is what does that. I’m taking this from a pure technical point of view, I know throttles are regulated in some jurisdictions and ghost pedaling is somewhat of a cheat around that.

    1. No, at the time I wrote it throttles were commonplace – at least to me. Same with torque sensing. I think at that time the general public wasn’t so much aware of their existence as that was before the pandemic and the ebike boom in the USA. But certainly all of the major manufactured brands in the West at that time were torque sensing. For my type of riding, I seldom use a throttle at all. Its all pedaling although I do use a throttle like most cargo bikers do: To accelerate from a dead stop as an aid in maintaining balance on a bike that can easily be loaded with 50 kg+ of cargo plus my own body weight. Once balance is established, I’m pedal-only. That usually takes about 2-3 seconds from a stop. So very little throttle. Also if I need to make a light I may hit the gas 🙂 We ride differently as I would absolutely disagree that throttle is the way to maintain forward progress. Throttle in my view ruins the cycling experience. Personally, I think a throttled ebike is a poor excuse for a motorcycle. If I wanted that I’d buy a real one. But at the same time, a throttle is a valuable tool in the toolbox that should be taken advantage of judiciously. Pedaling – with effort (!) – is integral to the cycling experience.

      I’ll stick to my position that torque sensing is solely regarded as better because it reminds riders of their original experience – and because marketing media beats the drum that reinforces the message that this is the way people are supposed to feel. Spend some time with more sophisticated cadence-based systems like what the Bafang BBSxx are capable of (despite the manufacturer trying their best to stamp this practice out) and a subtle and varied system emerges that is absolutely NOT the on/off switch that detractors claim it to be.

      Modern systems like the CYC torque sensing system that starts out as torque sensing just at the start, and switches to cadence-based at cruise … I think those are the intelligent future use of both methods.

      1. To clarify on my original comment, I was saying that when you wrote this post that torque sensing *AND* throttles (combined, on one bike/motor) were not commonplace, they independently existed. Is this not correct? Were bikes in 2019/2020 common to have both?
        I’m slightly confused by your argument that pedaling is important when you acknowledge the use of ghost pedaling style to produce forward movement with little effort. Is spinning your legs with no resistance really much better than touching a throttle? I’ve used BBS motors and no matter what you do to tune them, you are constantly adjusting the PAS level, the gears, and your cadence to feel like you are actually doing work. It is akin to driving a manual car, which some people love. Torque sensing is a more sensitive sensor, allowing a motor to be more finely tuned to what the user wants. I don’t disagree that cadence can also be a component and is a function of gearing but torque sensors are not inherently the baddie here. A bike with a torque sensor, cadence, and a throttle has enough sensors for all riders to feel comfortable IMO. Lack of a torque sensor is not a good thing, it is less sensory input to the software to be able to instrument the ride.

      2. OK I understand torque sensing+throttle. Yes that was uncommon at the time.

        Separately, don’t mistake my mention of the existence of ghost pedaling as something that is relied upon to any degree. As noted in the article specifically, that was something I was doing as part of a recovery phase. At the beginning of a period of physical rehabilitation, for lack of a better term. Cadence sensing merely allows ghost pedaling – but it certainly does not mandate it. It is up to the rider to discipline themselves to put in some work when riding. But cadence sensing DOES allow modulation of effort. So putting 90% effort in, then ticking up the assist so you are putting in 80%, 60% or whatever. That is how it is better than pushing on a throttle. You are exercising always. You are pedaling always. You are expending effort to varying degrees based on your PAS setting of the moment. You are not sitting in the saddle and just moving your thumb.

        Your experience with tuning BBSxx motors does not match my own. I ride in very flat ground in Central California when I am at my work residence, and in very steep hills when at home. I can leave the bike in just a couple of assist settings and get a workout. More settings in hills for obvious reasons as I could be transitioning from flat land to straight up a hillside, so that also includes gear changes of course. But its a natural, predictable range for both and again… the bike never runs away from me if all I am doing is pedaling (sure I can throttle it and then I’ve got 1750w on a full battery charge). BBSxx motors always want to run away from you if you don’t pull their teeth on pedal assist, and I will agree that the process is far from intuitive. But once that code is cracked the motor is nothing like its reputation. Take a look at Part 2 of the Bullitt Hill Hauler article and I get into specifics there.

      3. You are describing transitioning between a few PAS levels, if the bike had a better understanding of the watts you are human applying to pedals, it would be able to keep your effort constant at a given assist level. A PAS system is unable to measure actual effort, like a strain gauge/watt meter can. Most people that ride PAS based bikes end up having to twiddle the PAS level, the gear they are in, and their cadence. I own PAS based bikes and torque based bikes, the torque based bike is always more natural to anyone that has ever ridden a bike before. PAS is only desired to people that know PAS, you ride it very differently. Once you learn you ride a bike, you can transition to a torque based bike easily, it is “natural” – I know you don’t like this term. My 70 year old MIL can ride a torque based bike having with no additional knowledge necessary than when she learned to ride a bike 60 years ago. The throttle can get her out of sketchy situations in either bike style – PAS or torque. However, she cannot just hop on to a PAS based bike, the engagement and disengagement is lagged because of how it mechanically works, the only way to quick stop a PAS based motor is with brake sensors.

        While you are very deep on the BBS motors and you are able to tune them to your desires, these are not typical motors. The vast majority of inexpensive bikes are sold with PAS systems that cannot be tweaked or tweaked extensively. This is what the average person is riding. The average person would without a doubt be better suited with a torque based motor, they are easy to configure properly at the factory for a more “natural” ride that anyone can take on. But, they are expensive, so far.

        Ignore the BBS motor – which PAS based commercial bike do you believe rides nicely? I only have BBS based bikes but I have friends with various PAS bikes. I’d be curious which ones you believe are nicely tuned and readily available, I can probably find someone locally that can provide me a test ride.

        You have deep knowledge of BBS and I appreciate you publishing all of the detail, it is very useful to the BBS crowd. Thank you for that.

      4. > if the bike had a better understanding of the watts you are human applying to pedals,
        > it would be able to keep your effort constant at a given assist level.

        It does that now. I keep my effort constant at a given assist level as it is. Unless I care to change it. You’re describing problems here that I don’t see as existing. 70 year olds etc. can ride either bike style just fine as it is. If anything the quantity of senior citizens riding ebikes is skewed onto the side of cadence-based bikes simply because so many ebike riders are new riders buying low cost, low-quality direct-to-consumer bikes. My local bike paths in this tourist town are loaded with them.

        > However, she cannot just hop on to a PAS based bike, the engagement and
        > disengagement is lagged because of how it mechanically works, the only way
        > to quick stop a PAS based motor is with brake sensors.

        That is unacceptable and flat out should not be happening. But I know it does happen. That is poor quality componentry… just like why do we have freewheels everywhere all of a sudden? Because people are buying cheap bikes with cheap parts, including crappy controllers. But thats not a failure of cadence sensing.

        Cadence-based commercial bikes that ride well? I couldn’t tell you as I build all of mine. I did buy my first one on the internet, but seeing the kind of parts that went onto it I built frame-up after that. The only one I didn’t was my torque sensing bike,

        Since this article was written we’re seeing dual torque+cadence systems (torque on startup, cadence on cruise) starting to arrive that I think will be where this market ends up.

  3. Again, very informative content — thank you!

    So I have a ‘… cheapest of the cheap Direct-To-Consumer ebike …’ which only has ‘on/off’ cadence PA. Is there some way for me to figure out what controller(s) I can swap in to get to ‘real’ cadence sensing PA?

    It’s a dual motor bike w/ two controllers — one which connects to ‘everything’ (rear motor, display, ‘slave’ controller, lights, brakes, horn) and the other which just controls the front motor.

    Current controllers are 48V, 25amps. Not looking for the answer, just wondering where I can go to research this.

    1. Unfortunately I only have bad news for you. The only way to do this is the hard way. Just dig into it and see what you can swap out. My bikes use entirely independent controllers and none of this slave/master stuff. In the end it turned out thats what you want so you can have independent throttle, and you don’t have to worry about the sort of proprietary weirdness I’m sure your bike has. Also I would expect to lose the horn and the lights. If you can work it out so they have a home then great but consider it a bonus and not a requirement.

      1. Not sure what you mean when you say ‘independent throttle’ — independent of pedal assist? So the throttle input over-rides the PA input?

        The two motors are the same — is there any reason I can’t use a ‘dual motor’ controller — vs two separate controllers (as in current setup)? I see some which are rated for 3000w and as much as 60 amps — more than my motors draw (2k watts @ 48V — ~40 amps).

        I see there are a bunch of YouTube videos on this topic. Hopefully I’ll figure it out 🙂

        Thanks for the response.

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